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this is john kohler with growingyourgreens.comi have another exciting episode for you here in february sitting in my front yard gardenwith my ⼠strawberries and ⾠lettuce right behind me. we’ve been having some amazingbright days here and the sun’s been shining the weather’s been a little bit colder nighta little bit warmer and it’s starting to rain a little bit at my lettuce and everythingelse in my garden is growing really great. today is going to be an episode like no otherand hopefully i’ll get to do more of these in the future. what it is that i’m goingto answer your guys’ questions. not just anybody’s questions, mike’s questions.mike actually sent me in an email over youtube said “hey john i’ve got a question foryou, watch this video.” so he posed this

video in a question for me so hopefully ifthis works out i hope to do this more in the future, so just email me the video link overyoutube and i may answer your question with my own video. so, uh, let’s get started,so mike why don’t you take it over. hi john, my name is mike and i have a coupeof questions about well growing my greens. i probably could have just wrote you a messageand sent it to you but i figured that since this is youtube i’d make a video. now beforei ask the questions i thought i’d give you a little bit of background. about 8 or 9 yearsago my dad was in really rough shape health wise, and uh, he went ahead and turned hiswhole life around entirely changed the way he ate, lost over half of his body weight,and over the last 8 or 9 years has really

transformed his understanding of food andwhat not. he’s passed a lot of that on to me and i’m trying to follow in his footsteps.i have a little ways to go yet but, uh, today he pretty much eats an all vegetable dietum, vegetables and fruits, and um, really healthy, works out exercises, you know, walks.you know and he you know can actually out pace me a lot of the time so it’s reallybeen pretty inspirational to see and uh, you know he really, he really has learned a lotabout food in the last 8 or 9 years and has transferred a lot of that to me. wow mike! i think that it is great that yourdad has made some positive shifts as everybody is learning and you know people that i teachis learning that the majority of our diet

in my opinion should be fresh fruits and freshvegetables. which are nature’s foods and more importantly these are foods we can actually,and easily, grow ourselves all times of the year. none the less i’m positive that youcan do it too it’s about making the proper food choices and when you have a lot of foodgrowing outside your front door guess what it’s really easy and convenient to eat moreof the stuff that’s good for you. and harder because now you’ve gotta go out to the mcdonaldsand go pay and buy the stuff when you’ve got all the free and delicious food growingliterally in your front yard. uh well, let’s continue. uh one of the things that is important tohim though is organic, and buying organic

and staying free from chemicals in everythingright down to the water. one of the big problems is where we live. we live way up north innorthern michigan; actually right on the border of wisconsin so if you think way up northernwisconsin, about 3 hours north of green bay is where we live. in a pretty small town.but because we live in such a small town finding organic fruits and vegetables can actuallybe pretty difficulty. we have wal-mart and a large chain supermarket and that’s itpretty much in terms of shopping. we do have one small sort of health food store, sortof holistic food store and they have a good variety of on the shelf things you know likecereals and this types of things that you won’t find at a regular supermarket, buttheir produce is not great, and in fact when

it comes to things like lettuce they actuallycarry the same stuff that the supermarkets sell, only theirs is older because they’renot moving it as much as the supermarket. so we’re pretty much limited to you knowthe big brands i think my dad normally by earth bound farms organic romaine lettucefor his salads. and you know it’s good but i often wonder you know i prefer baby spinachfor salads and i buy uh wal-mart has their house brand of "organic” baby spinach andi wonder how long it’s been since its been picked before it makes up here to northernwisconsin, northern michigan. i’ve never really determined how long ittakes from baby spinach or baby lettuce mixes from field to store i would probably guessin the neighborhood, it’s probably gotta

be like maybe like a week, maybe like twoweeks at the most. it can’t be much more than that because then it starts to go downhilland it starts to expire. so they’re getting to you pretty dang quick. what’s happeningprobably is that it’s getting picked, put on a truck, and shipped across the countryfive days, maybe sits in the warehouse a day or two and then gets o the store. so it’sstill fairly fresh and i still want to encourage you to always eat the freshest quality foodsas possible. so it the wal-mart organic stuff is as fresh as you can get, great, but ifyou can grow it in your home then even better. so, let’s go on. so, you know the nearest other big city thatwould have a decent store is several hours

away. you know part of the problem too isthat the growing season too is so short. you’re looking at maybe you know early may if you’retrying to avoid frost until maybe mid to late september. so there’s not even a lot ofsummer time, there not a lot of farmers market where you can find organic locally grown foods.my dad has never been into farming or gardening or anything like that he’s not really biginto working outside and getting his hands dirty. and i’ve never done any gardeningon my own either. in fact you, and probably a lot of your viewers would probably be aghast,to know that, i live in a rural area, that if i walk out my back door i actually haveabout an acre fields that’s just grass. i don’t even have anything planted. i haveplenty of room and yet i don’t do it um

so many maybe this summer. for now i thoughti would get my dad into growing some stuff in doors. like is said we cant find organicyou know we have a hard time and the big names from the super market are all we can get.so id decided to set up something to start trying to grow indoors and uh this is thelittle set up i came up with it was about as cheap as i could possible get because itwas the first experiment. i just got everything at wal-mart and we don’t even have likea big like a big box or a you know a home depot its about 2 ⽠hours drive to get toone of those so um all of this stuff came from wal-mart it was maybe $50 i think anduh it just consists of a couple of cheap aluminum drip trays to catch water a couple of rubbermaidtotes to actually hold the plants which i

don’t even know if those are deep enougha couple of off the shelf wal-mart you know grow lights um which um were the most expensiveitems which i think those were about $17 $18 and then a timer and a just a regular christmaslight timer to control the lights. and i just made this two by four stand with the chainsso i can raise the lights up and down depending on the height of the plants. i actually madetwo of these one of for my house and one for his house and i decided that we were goingto start trying to grow the greens. and actually that’s the biggest goal of this whole projectis tor grow specifically salad greens because i mean those are things that you eat quitea lot of quantity of eventually i would like maybe to move into growing other stuff allof the other components for salads and stuff

you eat and diet. but salad greens are somethingyou need a lot you want it to be organic. there’s a lot of surface area you don’twant it to be sprayed this type of thing and you know when i buy them they’re alreadystarting to wilt wright when you get them anyway you know it looks like that box a fewvideos ago you posted that box of organic vegetables you get that’s and of how youget them so yeah i’m going to try and grow salad greens inside. that’s where my questionscome in. first of all my goals with this is to grow salad greens that grow pretty fastand i mean its not going to be about the decoration, its going to be about the yield, there’sgoing to be a purpose behind this. i would like to be able to harvest this as much aspossible i watched some videos i have no idea

how much you can harvest off of lettuce isee people harvest some of the leaves and leave the plant and it regrows maybe everyseveral days but you know we really don’t know to get out of this much real estate whichis probably 4 sq ft or less obviously we don’t need we don’t need more than one salad worthof greens a day that’s probably going to be maximum we would need and i imagine thatgetting enough for one salad every day is probably a tall order but every other dayevery third day maybe every fourth day i don't know whatever at least if we can get at leastenough for a sold or a couple a week out of it that’s less than we have to buy at thestore. so that’s where my questions come in. what types of greens or what type of saladgreens what species of plants would work best

in this type of environment its indoors somethingthat grows fast, something that can survive multiple cuttings. obviously they’re goingto be down time growing it from scratch and getting it to maturity so something that couldsurvive multiple harvest and you know again my dad usually prefers romaine i like babyspinach. i know maybe those two won’t work. but i’m open to anything you know any typeof lettuce you now dandelions whatever. so that’s the first questions what would besome good species of salad greens basically to plant. i have no idea, like i said i’venever done this before. so that’s a tall order you want to filllike a plant you could grow indoors that grows really fast that you could continue to harvestand still be eating every day or every other

day. so i don’t know if that’s going tobe possible in your small 4 ft or 4 square feet with your lightubulbs now i love thatthing and that thing can be useful for growing some things. but what i’m going to recommendis that maybe you take a little bit of a different direction and make it sustainable and longlasting so you’ll be actually be able to grow some food and eat a salad of your ownhome greens every single day in the winter time. yes that’s right you can grow greenseasily in your house in your kitchen and eat them every single day and have enough probablyfor salad. so what i'm going to recommend what you do is instead of thinking about growinglettuce like what’s behind me let me tell you this lettuce here this took here it tookto get from the small stat to this stage here

it took about a month. and i could go in hereand harvest some of leaves and wipe it out in a day. so there’s absolutely no way inthat small amount of space you’re going to be grow enough lettuce to eat for saladif you did want to invest a lot of money and i know you may be on a budget you could investin a big hydroponic system with 100 little spots and all these lights and stuff and putit in your garage or something and have a elaborate set up and you could grow lettuceand you have so much quantity like i do in the bed behind me. but you know realisticallyin a small amount of space inside its not going to be super feasible. what i would recommendfor you would be to grow green sprouts. i don’t mean just those alfalfa sprouts. butof course you could grow those they are water

grown sprouts alfalfa clover mung bean sprouts,which are really easy tog row you can buy the seeds on line and they’ll ship themto you and you just throw them in water. while they’re good and probably better than anywilty lettuces from the store its probably better into the store to grow some soil grownsprouts something like sunflower sprouts definitely at the top of the list of something you shouldgrow. pea sprouts would be the next thing you grow sprouts until they’re this tallyou harvest them clear-cut them eat them and fortunately you might get a second growth.i would just go for the production and cut them once and grow a second tray. besidesthat you could grow buck weed sprouts. besides those green sprouts like those three thati just mentioned theres also many others which

are called micro greens, now micro greensmay take a little bit longer to turn or to grow and then consume. so the sprouts thati juts mentioned dependent on the temp and the lighting and all the may go form plantingto harvesting in 7-10 day for example if you start one tray today a week or a week anda half from now that’s ready to harvest but today you start one tomorrow you startone the following day you start one, in seven days you’re going to be harvesting one,and in 8 days your going to be harvesting one, every day just start a new tray so you’regoing to need a rack that’s going to be fairly large with a bunch of trays. now theydon’t always need light on them. only when they get you know big and they put out theirtrue leaves then you really need to put some

light on them. and you don’t even reallyneed to put direct light overhead light they could do fine with some ambient light or maybea windowsill. beside the sunflower sprout, the buck weed, and the pea sprout, which arefairly common you could grow a whole bunch of other micro greens what i recommend i thatyou first grow sunflower greens first. it’s actually easiest. you could buy a big sackof the black oil seed sunflower seed now i would prefer if you got organic but organicblack sunflower seeds so just go to your local wal-mart and get black sunflower seeds andmake sure they’re not treated they’re not oiled they’re not salted they’re soldas birdfeed it’s super cheap its super inexpensive. there’s wal-mart’s all over that sellthe bird seed and those are the seeds that

you’re going to use grow and sprout to turnin your sunflower greens so id start with that that’s the absolute the easiest. otherthan that once you’ve gotten that started and gotten a system going where you can starta new tray each day you know whatever 7-10 days and you've got that rotational so you’reeating your sunflower greens every day rotating some buckwheat greens rotating some pea greensare some other ones that are really easy to grow and should mature in about the same amountof time. once you’ve got good at that move on to the more advanced stuff which is themicro greens which is where it gets really interesting. so i’m going to show you thisright here. this is the catalogue for johnny’s select seeds and i’ll be having my 2012seed round up really soon but in their catalogue

here they have a section of micro greens onpage 66 i don’t know if you can see this but all these little things are little babysprouts. these are what are called micro greens. instead of letting vegetables grow the wholeterm like this the micro greens are maybe a week, two weeks, three weeks old of growthand they’re little small baby tender and actually really delicious greens that youcould grow that you don’t need a lot of space to do that you could grow that you couldgrow in a standard nursery flat and this is what they look like. this is a standard nurseryflat like at your wal-mart nursery department they may have you know these are the how theplants are shipped in the 6 packs or in the single flowers so when you buy a whole bunchof plants you can fill them up here and carry

them up to the check stand in this and they’llusually let you take them home and not charge you for it sometimes if you go to the nurseryyou may have to buy them. now it’s better to get the ones that are sealed off but ifyou get the ones with the holes then that’s quite fine just put some newspaper down andwhen you fill it up with dirt the so the you know the dirt wont go through the wholes inthe bottom just put a single layer of newspaper in the bottom and it will compost down overtime in the bottom. so you’re going to grow your baby sprouts in this much dirt so youdon’t even really need this much dirt because the roots aren’t going to get to long becauseonce again you’re only harvesting the plants when they’re about this big they’re goingto be baby plants. they’re actually going

to be more nutritious and delicious than themature plants. but its going to be a little more labor intensive you’re going to haveto water them maybe once or twice a day and start them up once or twice a day but onceyou get into a rhythm and make it a habit and really man your plants so that you caneat its definitely you’re going to be up and running and its only going to be a bigthing. so once you get up and running some of the things you could grow are persian crest,tat soy, chinese cabbage, bok choy, arugula, beet greens, sorrel, carrot, yeah that’scarrot greens or carrot sprouts, mustard, crass, mizuna, amaran, -that’s edible chrysanthemum,scallions, parsley, basil, cabbage, mizuna, they’re so many different greens that youcould do most of these are in the mustard

or the brassicaceae family because in generalthose are the fast growers. if you want to do lettuce micro greens those are a littlebit slower so it’s going to be a little bit more challenging to do so i’d recommendonce again start with the sunflower spouts and the buck weed sprouts and the pea sproutsand this is like the advanced extra credit course. alright so hopefully that answersthe question, let’s move on. the second question would be, is there anythingelse i should do right off the bat um i’m you could you probably answer this in yourvideos and i’m gong through your videos but i only subscribed to you here probablylike a month ago and uh you have quite a lot of videos so i haven’t gotten through allof them yet. i know you talk in a lot of videos

about the rock dust and i’ve seen the nutrientteam that i’ve seen brewing some. should i start right in with those? like i said thisis a trial run for kind of growing indoors and of gardening overall so i'm trying tokeep it pretty simple and you know my dad is probably not going to be to involved he’llprobably do some watering and that’s about it. when it comes to changing soil and addingnutrients and all that will probably come to me. so to get started is there maybe anythingi should do right off the bat? maybe get some rock dust and go there? the soil i don’thave access to any type of compose so just this i grabbed this miracle gown it says organicchoice like i said we only had wal-mart as our only option and they only had 2 differentbags as our potting mix it’s the middle

of january and we just got 20 in of snow inthe last 36 hours. so no access to anything other than what i can get at wal-mart in thebag. so that’s about it thanks, and look forward to hearing from you. so, as to your second question, what you shouldbe doing is do the best you can. i don’t want you to be concerned about oh i have toget the organic potting soil at wal-mart by the bag and its $8 that stuffs crazy expensive.get whatever you can afford and for growing in the flats pretty much you’re going tohave to fill up these they’re not a lot of sq footage so you want to get the beststuff you can afford. so if you can afford the organic fine, if you cant get some ofthe organic to mix in with the regular stuff

but you know the most important things isto get growing. the base of what you needs is the potting soil or the soil you’re goingto use and i would buy additional composted because you are in a rural area that is agreat resource right there there might be feed stores or farming stores right therethat supply the big boys they may be able to be a resource for you know different thingsfor you like soil mixes and different things. so i'm not exactly sure what is in your area.if you live in a rural area and you have a lot of property you can do your own composting.find people with extra leaves dump them in an area. have some local farmers with horsesor cows and animals and have them bring the manure with the leaves on your property andthat will composted when your not even think

about it. start that out in the sumer obviously,not when it’s frozen, and next year you’ll have probably all your own soil so you won’thave to buy any. this winter you’ll probably have to invest in some soil but guess whattall the soil that you take out of your trays once their cut your going to compose thaton your pile and let that basically composed break down then you can reuse that next winter.so once again growing the green spouts depending on your climate and situation is going totake anywhere from one week to 10 days from planting to harvesting if you want to getinto the micro greens they're going to take about 2 weeks and some take about 30 days.i would encourage you to get into the ones that are short term and are ready in a shorteramount of time. as to the rock dust you know

once you get up and running with all of thisthen get the rock dust add it in later, i don’t want you to be like oh i can’t getthe rock dust so i’m not going to start. i want you to start now get your hands wet,you can always add that in later it will probably be more beneficial if you do it later becauseif you’re growing in all the normal stuff now and then add it in later you’ll be likewow till grow faster it’ll be taster and you’ll say you should’ve had it from thestart. but you know what i just want to get you started because rock dust that can bea whole other problem another product to find, and mail order and it can get actually quiteexpensive another thing you could do would be to get ocean solution or ocean grow mineralswhich actually might be a more viable solution

growing in the flats they actually come ina one gallon jug. you actually dilute that in the water that you’ll water the plantswith and you’ll also get all the trace mineral that will basically improve the growth overallof the pants. pretty much overall that’s how you’ll do it. you know once again you’regoing to get some flats like this you’re gong to have to get a wire rack or a cheapplastic racks where you can fit bunch of these on a shelf and you’re just going to growfor it and you’re going to learn as you grow and you may mess up there’s going tobe adjustments and corrections and it's all a great fun learning process and the one dayyou’re going to be a master at this stuff and yore going to be a master at this stuffand you're going t be able to invest 5 min

a day in starting seeding and watering andthen going off and doing the other stuff you want to do and you’re going to be able tohave food every day of the year by growing your own stuff and own sprouts inside so iknow you might be thinking john it’s great that you shared with me the things that ishould grow and how to grow it but how exactly do i do it, well in my next episode that ido it i will be visiting a place called got sprouts where we are going to teach you howto grow your own sunflower greens so that’s going to be really super uber cool but beforei go i do want to encourage you and anyone else that has one acre or a front yard likei do. you can grow a lot of food in your front yard, think about the way they did it 200years ago when they didn’t have the wal-mart

to grow their organic produce though rightand they lived [probably near where you live there’s old settlements in your area andall across this great country and what did they do they grew their food in the summerand they grew certain crops that were good for storage. now we’ve gotten out of thatas a culture, we’ve gotten into growing something and then shipping it but there aremany crops that you can grow in the summer time and store them in a root cellar or undergroundand they’ll keep for months i’ mean pumpkins and squashes, winter squashes are a primeexamples. last year i stored a pumpkin for i don’t know six months and it was stillgood. so if you grow a lot of squashes, and squashes are easy to grow, you just gottaplant the seed and they’ll vine out and

grow all summer, harvest them before it getscold bring them inside and store them in the cool garage or a storm cellar or whereverand you’ll have them for the full winter and you can pop one out every few nights.and you can eat your own fresh organic food. other certain varieties of cabbages and beetswill also store really well so that’s another thing you want to focus on, get geared upfor the spring time, you have an acre you know, i only wish i had an acre to grow foodon, i would plant fruit trees. that’s might be something else you can grow, there’sfruit trees in your area, plant some fruit trees and harvest the fruit can them, freezethem, or dry them so you can eat your own fruit. so getting back to how they used todo it 200 years ago i think is a great idea

is growing things to store. in addition tothat we have new technology they didn’t have 200 years ago like plastic, plastic makesit possible! but there’s another guy in maine, and i know that maine might be a littlecolder than where you’re at and he grows all four seasons, even in the wintertime.so if he can do it in maine then you can certainly do it where you’re at, michigan or whereveror wisconsin. so you want to invest in the book that he writes i think its elliot colemanfour seasons gardening or four seasons farming. i think he has some amazing ideas and onceyou have a system in place and set up to grow and emulate how he’s doing it successfullyyou’ll also be able to grow year round in your climate. so maybe you’ll have to putup a hoop house or a green house but it’s

totally possible. so your game plan is this,get trays and get some compost and get some black oilbird seed and start growing sunflowersprouts immediately! don’t delay, don’t wait, go out and do it today, and just getstarted you might need to wait for the next video so it might be a day or two. but getyour potting soil, and black oil seeds so that when my video comes up you can actuallyfollow along and do it as we’re talking about it in the video. and then because youknow springtime is almost here you’ve gotta get your acre planted out man. plant it insomething whether it’s winter squash that you can store for next year and start growingsome summer stuff so that you can be eating healthier in this upcoming 2012. i know youcan do it and i’m here to help i have almost

600 videos now with all kinds of informationso feel free on those and feel free to give me new questions now and then. so hopefullythis has answered your questions mike i hope i have been of some assistance to you, butalso to all of my other viewers who may be having a similar challenge to you and wantto grow food in the winter then green sprouts are definitely the way that i believe youshould doing it. so once again my name is john kohler with growingyourgreens.com we’llsee you next time and keep on growing.

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